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it would also say for me not to trust others or to not care about other people, and once he (actually did something good) and told someone was guilt triping me (and the person was) (edited)

Reisen

Treating it like a "him" in the first place is what contributes to a long-standing presence, versus thinking of invasive thoughts as just random unwanted thoughts.

its true

yeah, the entity is only an entity because you view it as one

you still call that experience "him"?

i will say "it"

9:06 PM

its better right?

I have this happening to me

9:06 PM

I call it an it

9:07 PM

but it also has a name so shrugging_oldman

9:07 PM

I have pretty extreme anxiety so its attached to that

9:07 PM

been around for years, it has changed apperence a few times

9:08 PM

i have several ways I get rid of these ""enities"", but this one is very rarely affected by it

9:11 PM

ive had issues with it since i was a child but this one is special

congratulations now you will have an entity with the pronouns "it"

nah its male

9:20 PM

I just refer to it as an it to avoid viewing it as a being

9:20 PM

although it doesnt really work

9:20 PM

as it has spoken to me before

i mean shinimi not you

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

congratulations now you will have an entity with the pronouns "it"

what pronouns do i use then

Tewi: They were joking that just changing the pronouns you use doesn't change whether you're personifying/legitimizing intrusive thoughts, and that optimally you need to just stop thinking of it as an actual entity and instead just as thoughts you don't want. (edited)

Hello o/ How to be a better listener when practicing mind voicing?

Tewi: Focus-wise? Practicing meditation can help - practicing in general can help over time, but also especially just before spending time with your tulpa. Tulpamancy-wise/vocality-wise? Be open to thoughts that may be your tulpa trying to communicate, and don't shut down too many or be too critical. Understand that early on in the vocality process, they may sound similar to you, and they're likely to say somewhat random things as well. Your reactions and how you think about these thoughts are what start to shape your tulpa; "That was just a random fluff thought", "That was probably my tulpa!", and "That's not something my tulpa would want to say." are good examples. Over time your tulpa's voice (and sense of self) will get more stable and unique/independent from you and this process will become much easier, until one day it's impossible to mistake your tulpa speaking for anything else. (edited)

Wow, this answer was so complete! I really appreciate it ❤️

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12:00 AM

Thanks!

Hello. How to know with what/who I'm communicating (tulpa or mate or imaginary friend or just myself) ? Do I just need to believe I'm talking with a "tulpa/friend" (or something else) to make it become "real" ?

@BlastKiller - jump it's not about figuring out what/who you are talking to, but deciding what/who you talk to

thanks. I read some guides about the mind, spirituality, psychology and psychiatry and tulpa, and I decided to believe that there is "something else (maybe a tulpa or in my "brain/mind/spirit/body" with the decision to let everything happen by itself (without expectation of form or voice or feelings or whatever or personality or identity). It's kind of letting random things happen and I will see. I just did "intense meditation / focus, on the concept of tulpa" (from what I understood about this concept". And sometime I have the "feeling" that there is "really" something else in myself but it's kind of strange. I feel like "stuck" against two things : believing/deciding that it's "really another 'entity'" or just "really another part of myself that I didn't knew before, (kind of doing introspection)". I feel like just "dreaming and fantasying and discovering myself", and not "communicating with a tulpa". Do you have/had this "feeling/doubt" too ? is it a step to tulpamancy ? (edited)

1:49 PM

another way to say this : I feel like discovering / bringing to awareness/consciousness things that was unconscious, but part of "my self"

Doubt's pretty common in tulpamancy, main thing is putting it aside and choosing to believe they are seperate beings anyways.

ok I had trouble thinking that an entity can be "part of myself while being separate part of myself" (kind of a really good relationship; because maybe 'my Self' is in the brain and the 'Tulpa Self' is in the brain too, but maybe 'separate being'). Sometime I surprise myself with 2 "voiced thoughts/train of thoughts like a really good relationship : one begin a sentence, the other end the sentence. Really good link. But maybe it's just the strong desire of a 'sane loving inner relationship' like this that it's just a fantasy and not tulpamancy, or a way to go to have/create/discover an "entity/tulpa". (edited)

2:07 PM

I will continue my journey in my mind/spirit/body while being aware of maybe it's a tulpa, and I will see. I discovered Tulpamancy not so long time ago, so maybe it's just my first step and I wanted to go too fast. My psychiatrist told me that I have a "rich intra-psychic life" and my psychologist told me that I "my imagination is overflowing and that I don't lack culture/awareness/consciousness". So I think I will certainly discover great things in my "inner life", maybe "another form of conscious life residing in my brain (or somewhere else, who knows)".

i think you are overthinking it

2:19 PM

when you try to explore your mind like this, you will find things you haven't noticed before and you will try to make sense of it

2:20 PM

one of the things you need to keep in mind is that tulpas are not an inherit phenomena that you discover, it's something you create with your expectations that form your experience

2:21 PM

if you will spend a lot of time exploring and trying to make sense of it, you might miss the point of tulpamancy if that's what you are after

oh, ok, thanks for the good explanation ! You are right, I'm a overthinking and really curious guy ^^'

i think it’s great to have a sharp mind like yours, there is definitely value in it but I would encourage you not to have your analysing mind involved during tulpamancy practice, at least in the beginning when the analysis can get on the way. My suspicion is that your confusion about what you discovered is part of you is caused by you exploring what’s already inside your head rather than to commit to create something new. I believe that having jungian shadow (which what you described sounds aimilar to) as a base for a tulpa can work very easily, but I wouldn’t encourage people to do that

yeah you are right again !!! I like the theory of Carl Gustav Jung

it might require some discipline because I understand it’s not that easy to turn it off

2:37 PM

i like it too but like any other psychological or spiritual theory it’s just a framework that helps you think about an abstract concept, but the important thing is that those frameworks do work even if they contradict each other

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2:38 PM

you said this: „And sometime I have the "feeling" that there is "really" something else in myself but it's kind of strange.” i came up with an exercise that explores that deeper, i can share kt with you if you’d like?

I wanted to have a tulpa with same "knowledge" than me; but not same "experience/understanding"; so i'm having many contradictory speech (with myself and maybe a "tulpa" or maybe i'm already having multiple tulpa; i think i created few tulpa without being aware of it, because my mind can go so fast sometime that i don't even notice what is happening)

Leiko

you said this: „And sometime I have the "feeling" that there is "really" something else in myself but it's kind of strange.” i came up with an exercise that explores that deeper, i can share kt with you if you’d like?

yeah of course i would like

it’s very hard to have a tulpa with dofferent knowlesge than you so i wouldn’t be worried about that

2:45 PM

i have a feeling you could create your tulpa very quickly but got co fused by different guides how to do it

2:45 PM

do you have an idea for your tulpa?

2:47 PM

yeah of course i would like

@BlastKiller - jump you can read about it here https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895537978048535/796424910867791872

my main idea for a possible tulpa is "total freedom", even if my tulpa hurt me to be more "free". I don't know the "limit" of the "freedom" for a tulpa

2:49 PM

yeah i read multiple guides and maybe this is confusing sometime

tulpas can be very free, but it’s important to treat each other as the same team

2:50 PM

so does it mean you don’t want to affect what the tulpa will be like and what will be their looks?

2:51 PM

the problem with guides is that a lot of them are written quite logical, while the tulpamancy practice is very experiencial. Which can make people struggle to create a tulpa for months, but there are better ways than that in my opinion

I don't like the idea of "forcing", I prefer this way : meditating and listening/seeing/feeling what the "tulpa" want me to see/hear/feel. I give more "faith/trust" to the tulpa than myself ^^ but maybe I should think it's reciprocal maybe

i really dislike a lot of terms in tulpamancy and forcing is definitey one of the worst

2:54 PM

i think you can definitely “learn” about who tulpa is rather than “force” them to be someone

2:55 PM

in that situation what i think happens is that tulpa is formed around what you need right now, or part of what jung would call your shadow becomes it

2:55 PM

which is why i think there is still big value in setting a direction, a little guide to what you would like your tulpa to be like

2:56 PM

remember that they evolve as any other person, if you wish they were X or Y, they will be able to grow out of it

2:57 PM

i think the least you need to start your tulpa is to know why you would like to have one?

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is it to have someone nice and kind around all the time, someone to throw ideas at, someone that can take your social life?

2:57 PM

it doesn’t need to be a list of personality traits, in my opinion that method is not that effectice, you just need to know more or less who you want them to be

2:57 PM

your brain will take care of the rest

Leiko

i think the least you need to start your tulpa is to know why you would like to have one?

why ? Because I think I already have a tulpa in my "shadow" or maybe I will know why when I will fully discover my "shadow". For now, I think it's just plain basic curiosity (edited)

why i think it’s risky to start with your shadow as the base for your tulpa is that it makes it harder to work on that part of you if you need to in the future

3:03 PM

why shadow work works is because you end up integrating that part of yourself

3:03 PM

if you give it a name, let it have its own experiences, you disown it even more

3:04 PM

of course it all depends what part of you that is

3:04 PM

some parts of shadow can be very beautiful and kind

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but it can still be quite delicate situation

3:07 PM

where does the curiosity that you want to make the tulpa for come from?

3:08 PM

i hope i’m not sounding discouraging, my approach to tulpamancy is just very careful

the idea of having "another sentient being 'inside of me'" is appealing, to grow, to grow my mind/spirit, to live, to experience, to relation, to become more that I am myself, to discover myself and the other selves (inside me or outside me or inside the other), to be part of a new community of people interested by the same things. It's just make me passionate about this. To understand better the brain, the psychology, the multiplicity, to live my life, to follow my way, it feel natural for me to be here talking about tulpa. And also because psychiatrist diagnosed dissociative disorder and schizophrenia but I don't totally agree with this diagnosis, that's how I discovered tulpamancy, while reading about this "disorders". Me, I always thought that I lived "spirituals experiences" that I was not ready to live and experience. These experiences was like going to war without weapon. I'm trying to be careful too but sometime it's too intense. Or maybe I'm really sick and I think the concept of tulpa can help me to heal from something.

what kind of dissociative disorder were you diagnosed, and what makes you disagree with your dictor about their diagnosis of schizophrenia?

I feel like I developed a "disorder" ("disorder" by the western culture, I live in France in a small city, France is late about psychiatry, and because some other culture (shamanism, animist, Buddhism), doesn't treat this as a disorder, but as a "spiritual experience", there is even "spiritual experience" in psychiatrist manuals, because they really don't know; I read that many psychiatrist mistakes disorders and just tell random diagnosis and many people were hurt and discovered it was wrong diagnosis)

3:18 PM

So, I feel like I developed a "tulpa" (another mind/spirit) without knowing it was this; and not a "disorder".

3:19 PM

with my psychologist, I often used "we" to talk about "myself", and she told me to use the pronoun "I", and many time I can't use "I" to talk about "myself/myselves". I didn't know about multiplicity/tulpamancy before

why did your doctor think you have schizophrenia? Did they prescribe any medication? Did you seek second opinion?

even French people who worked in psychiatry told that psychiatry in France is a "desert/wilderness"

3:21 PM

the psychiatrist here are not really transparent ... They explained nothing, that's why I don't trust them. I keep asking question, but no clear answer. I think they don't even know. Schizophrenia/Dissociative/Bipolarity are not well know today, it's just concept from a random guy who lived not so long time ago, for me, the guy who theorised theses disorders are just random ideas to explain something they don't even understand themselves. So I want to follow my path, my ideas, my feelings, my curiosity, my awareness, my wish, my will, even if it's hurtful and painful

why can’t you use the pronoun “i”

3:25 PM

i do agree that diagnosis is not that valuable, it’s an attempt to put a label on a very complex set of experiences of a person, but experiences of people differ so greatly. I’m just interested about schizophrenia in your case specifically, because the symptoms of schizophrenia are quite serious

Because sometime, I feel it's "we" and not "I", I can't explain these feelings, by the way, in french we have french pronouns "nous" and "on" that translate as "we" in english. I use "on", it's undefined pronoun to talk about unknown people (even ourself, myself), not same as "nous" to define well known people. And sorry, my English is far to be perfect.

i think your english is good and you communicate well

3:27 PM

there definitely is a way for people to become plural without even knowing what tulpamancy is, we have people like that in this community, but it is very unusual you sometimes feel you can’t use the pronoun “i”

3:27 PM

even plural people can just say “i”

yeah I suffered a lot of my "experiences of sickness/spirituality". I had few vivid visual "hallucinations/projections/visions" of real people, or entity (white shiny silhouette, black silhouette, dressed silhouette), and audition "hallucination", many "voices" that I never heard or that I already heard, I "heard/felt these hallucination" very intense; there was many pleasant "hallucinations" and also totally unpleasant and hurtful "hallucinations". I even made a suicidal attempt to end the suffering and the pain.

when you heard voices did they appear in your head or outside of your head?

sometime I feel "I", sometime I feel "we/us".

3:30 PM

"I" and "we/us" depend on how I feel "alone or with other inner selves/memory of inner selves";

3:31 PM

both, inside my body (not only my head, but heart also, stomach, belly, ...), and also outside (above my head, kind of in the sky, on my right, on my left, in front of me, behind me)

i’m not an expert, but the differential for plurality and schizophrenia is that communication in plurality feels/is heard “in head”, while in the case of schizophrenia it’s outside of your head

3:32 PM

i would encourage you to ask another doctor for a second opinion

I heard voices that was inside and outside (like a ray of voices, coming from inside to outside, and also coming from outside to inside)

a lot of what you are saying is beyond the experiences of plurality

maybe "MY schizophrenia/disorder" is a form of plurality that I didn't wanted but it was here and I need to live with it sometime. I feel like I just need to learn to live with sometime plurality. For my point of view, "I'm 100% sure" that my "voices and hallucinations" are part of myself, I just don't know how to identity and define myself. I know that my voices come from my brain. Kind of imaginary friend talking to me, without being aware that I have imaginary friends in my head/body, playing with my brain

3:36 PM

It feel like my brain/body/mind/spirit playing with myself/ourselves

3:36 PM

my psychologist told me one day : "you are having fun with your symptoms ! and you attach yourself to your symptoms (aka 'you want to keep your symptoms')

3:37 PM

that's why I didn't took pills/medicine for a long time. For now I have neuroleptics/anti-psychotic pills. But I often try with/without pills